This image was drawn by me therefore credit is unnecessary.
Wah already wrote the post on it, so I’m just adding fuel to the fire in hopes to spread the message:
STOP USING FANARTS IN YOUR BLOG POSTS WITHOUT GIVING CREDIT
Seriously what the fuck’s your problem. You found it on danbooru or sagbooru or whatever and suddenly that makes you “immune” to this rule? Just because the faggot who uploaded it doesn’t list the author, suddenly that makes the author “unknown” and therefore ok to not credit? Wtf? What if someone takes your blog post (i.e. scrapers) and then puts it on their blog, doesn’t link back to your post and now it seems like they’re the ones who wrote it. How does that make you feel?
I’ve been telling some twitter friends to please credit the artist when they use fanarts in their post, but it seems other people are too fucking ignorant to do this. Still wanna use fanart? Fine. Please go to Pixiv, find a fanart, put it on your blog and then LINK BACK to the artist and mention something like “artwork by xxxsan”.
Don’t go to danbooru, don’t go to 4chan and then put this shit on your blog. It’s fucking insulting to us artists. Both WAH and I are on Pixiv, and honestly when you are a member of that community you start to see fanart in a new light. Reading the comments from the artist, seeing people add funny tags to it, it gives it a whole new life. Then some buttwipe takes the pic, puts in on their stupid blog post completely irrelevant to the image, and thinks he’s a fucking genious.
Come on guys, we’re better than that. Let’s not stoop to the level of Deviantart 12 year old retards and give credit where credit is due. If that’s too much of a “pain to do”, then take a photo of your figure and use that instead and don’t use fanart at all. I mean let’s face it, people come to your blog to read your posts, not look @ stolen art – and if stolen art is the only reason people look @ your blog, lol plz quit blogging nao kthxbye.
jpmeyer
Hinano
Is it, like, somehow impossible for someone to post about this subject without being an ass about it?
By: 21stcenturydigitalboy on August 4, 2009
at 8:51 am
Or find artist friends who would give you permission to use their arts.
Hey, it works for me :3
By: drmchsr0 on August 4, 2009
at 8:51 am
yes its impossible because its really grating. i guess when you’re not an artist you don’t understand. for example I know a Japanese soul eater artist who CLOSED DOWN HER SITE because a bunch of deviantart retards traced her work, took her sketches and uploaded it to their accounts etc. Now I’ll never be able to see any of her new stuff again cause of these morons.
In fact that pisses me off enough to rage about it
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 8:52 am
The part that people miss is that when the art gets completely decontextualized, you don’t feel proud that “people are seeing it” because it has no connection to you any more.
Related: the million stories I’ve seen recently about journalists getting annoyed at bloggers taking chunks of their stories from other bloggers (and other bloggers and other bloggers…) so that it has no relation to them and their newspaper/wire/etc.
By: jpmeyer on August 4, 2009
at 8:55 am
yeah, it has more to do with how it’s used than what you use.
it’s so much more important that citation is secondary to even that.
By: omo on August 4, 2009
at 8:58 am
I need some sort of comparison to see the lack of respect. I’m not an artist, so I can’t relate. What exactly is gained by not using the fanart at all?
By: Omisyth on August 4, 2009
at 8:58 am
Use my example of say, pasting half of somebody’s post into your post and not attributing it.
By: jpmeyer on August 4, 2009
at 9:02 am
its all about respecting the artist. if i borrowed your brand new car and went for a ride and someone said “wow nice set of wheels you got there” and you go “YEA I FUCKING BOUGHT IT MYSELF CAUSE IM RICH AND AWESOME” instead of humbly saying “oh it’s just my friends that I am borrowing.”
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 9:04 am
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/08/mainstream-media-crashed-and-burned-watch-hamilton-nolan-ian-shapira-some-nameless-economist-writer-and-ross-douthat.html
By: jpmeyer on August 4, 2009
at 9:06 am
But I don’t think anyone who uses fanart in their blog post has claimed that it’s their art. Or that people who read blogs assume that it’s their art
By: Omisyth on August 4, 2009
at 9:16 am
I dont have a blog… too busy gaming/watching anime
also trying and failing miserably at getting real life
By: ewok on August 4, 2009
at 9:17 am
A random person doesn’t need to claim it’s theirs for it to stop being the artist’s own work. Just cutting that connection between artist and work is enough. Were I to say “I found this on 4chan”, it’s clear that I’m not claiming it as my own and it implies that doesn’t “belong” to 4chan, but it has no more connection any more to its artist.
Context is what makes a Jackson Pollock painting art while me dropping some markers on a piece of paper is a mess.
By: jpmeyer on August 4, 2009
at 9:23 am
omi you’re missing the point. i’m not saying that anyone is claiming it’s their art – but they are taking and using the art without giving credit to the artist. it’s like walking into an art gallery, taking a painting off the wall and hanging it up on your wall at home. sure you didn’t draw it, but no one asked you to steal art from an art museum either.
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 9:24 am
A copy of the painting you mean. Like a poster, or so. It’s not like we’re talking about plagiarism or the likes. (Guess the simile is poorly chosen)
But yeah, I kind of agree upon most points raised in this post; I probably wouldn’t understand it as much if I had not been an artist either. Then again, I have been pretty remiss myself to credit/link artists, although then again I have plenty of stuff that has collected on my HDD for so long, and I also find lots of already uncredited/unsigned/unwatermarked stuff on the internet… The ever so complicated question of authorship, blabla.
By: nekosasu on August 4, 2009
at 10:16 am
…The preceding tough-guy words were brought to you by people who watch illegally-uploaded TV shows.
Seriously, calm down. If someone posts something online, it’s going to get stolen. That’s just how the internet is. It’s an unfortunate situation that won’t ever be resolved.
Do what you need to do to keep your work yours. In the case of artwork, upload the image in a low resolution, watermark the image, or posted it in a secure venue open only to your trusted friends. That’s pretty much all you can do to stop others from stealing. If things turn ugly, you can go after a web host with a DMCA take-down notice. If they’re a reputable business, they will comply. If not, it’s a lesson learned.
Enraged blog posts like this one only demonstrate to others your lack of a cool head and aren’t productive. We all know about the wrongs of stealing. Next is to teach others how to be proactive in protecting their work.
By: Anon on August 4, 2009
at 10:31 am
this isn’t like a post on copyrights – at all btw. i’m not gonna run after people waving copyright flags or whatever. it’s more of a “lets respect our overseas buddies work, same as they would respect ours”. if you like the art enough to stick it on your blog, be nice and give the artist some props ya know? that was basically the message of my post.
I guess I feel if I don’t rage it won’t get through (as it seems most people only read my rage posts nowdays…)
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 10:36 am
Ahhh, all these people just don’t realize how much SKILL and EFFORT it takes to draw something that looks GOOD. Compared that, looking up for the name of the artist who drew the image and typing “Credit goes to…” in your post can’t be that hard.
By: Taiyaki on August 4, 2009
at 11:39 am
Ok, you got me. I am sorry for my previous sins of danbooruing and proud of my featuring-an-artist posts. Now I will only use pixived, credited drawings, btw it shouldn’t always be fan art. Or I won’t use post headers at all. That’s an option too.
But really, that’s too much rage. I’m an artist too, and if you’ll come up with ‘if you don’t feel rage on that matter you probably are not good enough of an artist for your work to get stolen’ I’ll reply I’m not that bad of an artist as you probably think.
By: Gargron on August 4, 2009
at 12:00 pm
Cause rage is read by everyone. I mean this post is getting a ton of hits today just because I raged vs say….my post on Twin Spica which barely has any views let alone comments.
Rage gets the point across, it gets people’s attention on a subject they may have otherwise not bothered to read about. Therefore you are incorrect when you say “too much rage”
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 12:06 pm
by the way, danbooru is generally pretty good at citing. if the pic comes from an artist HP or pixiv it usually gets linked back.
just to clarify.
By: omo on August 4, 2009
at 12:08 pm
is it ? i dunno I stopped visiting it ever since I joined pixiv since I prefer to see artworks from the original artist nowdays =P I also enjoy adding their works to my “favorites” so I can go back and browse all the nice art without disturbing the artist and enjoying it for myself. I even share my bookmarks with friends and encourage them to view it as well.
Theres no need for the art to get plastered on someone’s blog, and if the need is there, at least direct them back to where it came from so they can enjoy the other works done by said artist.
This is the point I’m trying to get at, I don’t see how much clearer I can be about it, is everyone just retarded or something?
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 12:12 pm
Or learn how to draw. Or try to learn how to draw.
Or just draw dango’s over everything. That seems to work.
By: DiGiKerot on August 4, 2009
at 12:21 pm
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By: Please credit THAT image! | Cartoon Leap Anime Blog on August 4, 2009
at 12:26 pm
Ugh I hear you. Its the same things on forums too. x_x I use to do vectors and some dick uploaded them on AnimePaper and claimed it was his. And its the same thing when you make graphics and AMVs and shit. Its like, how hard is it to credit someone anyway?!
By: heartfulcry on August 4, 2009
at 12:55 pm
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By: Don’t steal, or why proper crediting of art is important » Anime² on August 4, 2009
at 1:00 pm
Awesome image. Why can’t we all ‘just be friends’? LOL.
I’m not the type to put a gallery of pics inside a blog post of mine. In fact sometimes I’m too lazy to post pics at all. But I won’t try to feign innocence. I have never given credit to the source of any image in my blog. In a quick scan of my blog posts, I have included at least 2 fanart pictures which are uncredited AND reedited by myself. While it was a complete afterthought back then, now that you have stated your case, that was incredibly rude of me indeed.
So I share your rage. If I feel bad for those two images, what more for those image-hungry bloggers?
By: bluemist on August 4, 2009
at 1:45 pm
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By: Hhrhmm…Guilty as charged… « Moe for moe? on August 4, 2009
at 1:46 pm
bluemist> sadly only a few people will get my fanart that way xD
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 3:11 pm
Danbooru usually cites the sources, and the artist, if possible, is tagged.
With an account, you can make a list of favorites too.
However, if you’re already used to pixiv, there’s no real point. I use both (pixiv’s a lot easier to randomly browse, but danbooru tends to be faster when I want to find something specific, due to the wealth of tags slapped onto everything with even the slightest relevance).
By: ToastCrust on August 4, 2009
at 5:53 pm
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at 6:13 pm
It’s not clear to me why fanart should require credit, but use of the original art (for example, captures from a show) should not.
By: renpytom on August 4, 2009
at 6:26 pm
no need to twist my words
no where did anyone say that you shouldn’t credit “original” art. The point is – bloggers OFTEN USE FANART in their posts, this is the point I am trying to make. If they use original art, they should credit that as well, but I’m just making a point since that’s what the majority does.
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 6:32 pm
I don’t think I’m really twisting any words, but rather pointing out an interesting omission. To me it’s a sensible position to claim that all art used on a blog should be credited… but to specifically call out fanart seems to be rather untenable.
By: renpytom on August 4, 2009
at 6:49 pm
To be honest, I never bother about who drew what. I save everything that catches my eye. However, I NEVER repost them anywhere. They just stay on my HD so I can look at them every now and then.
I remember once, I posted up some of my drawings and some tard took it without permission and uploaded it to some korean site. I didn’t even know until my brother saw it while browsing one day. He went: “Hey, didn’t you draw that?”
By: Tama on August 4, 2009
at 6:51 pm
[...] Hinano only makes matters worse by being a total bitch about it and either missing or choosing not to acknowledge the bigger picture behind the misuse of fanart. Fanart is misused a lot, sure. As Hinano points out in her comments on her own post, some people trace the works of Japanese artists and claim them as their own, which is wholly despicable. However, this is an individual case, and grouping people who do stuff like that together with the likes of bloggers is just silly. [...]
By: Fuzakenna! » Blog Archive » Image Accreditation: Necessity Through the Filter of Reason. on August 4, 2009
at 7:14 pm
this happend because people thinks..if they found something in the internet, is free
By: Kurosama on August 4, 2009
at 8:06 pm
Tama> saving them without credit to browse in your own time is totally okay. this is specifically for those who then go and repost it going “oh its too bothersome to go find the original artist”
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 8:10 pm
For the most part, when I do post up images, I try to remember to post up where I got them whether it’s right below the image or at the bottom of the post if I post more than one from the same artist. I don’t usually go on image boards anyways, though…Actually, today’s the first day I’ve ever heard of danbooru. Unfortunately, sometimes I can’t decipher the name of the author because my horrid japanese skills…though I do make it a point to try and enter in the site at the very least. ^-^;;
For the most part, I’m impartial about the fanart attribution argument. I understand a bit from each side…though it really really irks me when people make giant batches of icons made from fanart without crediting the artists…but that might just be me and my crappy stubbornness about making icons out of pretty much only manga panels I’ve spent our coloring myself (6-7 hours of work yields enough material to make 2-4 icons at the most). It kinda makes me want to see just where the hell all that work for the image went in between the actual drawing of the fanart and the 10 second cropping and relighting of the icon. >_>;;
The manga scanlator in me kinda agrees with you more though. The process of the actual scanlation and the amount of work not only I, but the translators/scanners/editors of the release have poured into it makes us proud that we can allow people to read series they like that are otherwise unavailable to them. When I see people reupload the chapters without referring back to the scanlator’s site or at the very least, a site related to the original release of the manga (be it the publisher’s site/a buying link at amazon/etc) it makes me quite annoyed. Though fanart and scanlations are two different things…Being that one doesn’t risk breaking copyright laws quite as much. >_>;;
By: Miken-chan on August 4, 2009
at 8:32 pm
again – this isn’t about copyright or justice – it’s simply about being NICE and COURTEOUS to fellow japanese artists. they are not professionals, they do not get paid for this, so the least we can all do is give them a little pimping and send people to their galleries.
i havent been on danbooru in ages but JP showed me today that all the new stuff on it links back to the original pixiv source. its all right there, so anyone taking images from there who say cant read japanese on pixiv – has no excuse to not credit the artist.
regarding manga scanlation, i didn’t think I mentioned that in my post at all lol? But I do agree that when they ask to link back to the site I do try to do that – for example with my ouran scan posts.
By: Hinano on August 4, 2009
at 8:41 pm
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at 9:19 pm
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By: Omonomono » Fanart Use Best Practices on August 4, 2009
at 9:21 pm
Some differences in your comparison with copying blogs.
1) Most bloggers don’t pretend they made the picture. People who copy the text usually do.
2) Finding the source of some text is as easy as googling it. Find a picture’s source is MUCH MUCH harder.
And lastly, while I don’t use random fanart on my blog because it adds no value, be happy someone liked your work, write a polite comment saying you made the picture and suggest they link back to your whatever and GET OVER IT. People will steal your work if its on the web. Solution? Don’t upload if it pisses you off so much.
I believe in credit where credit is due but you are way too upset about this.
*Separate note to scanlators*
People aren’t crediting you for uploading bootleg manga? Oh you have it soooo rough. Thieves shouldn’t expect credit. Do a text only release (so they need to buy the book) and I’ll respect your efforts a bit more.
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at 10:18 pm
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at 11:16 pm
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at 11:18 pm
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at 11:29 pm
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at 7:01 am
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By: Fanart Crediting: Something That Is Long Forgotten? -- NotCliche on August 5, 2009
at 7:59 am
LOL HYPOCRISY and all that. I still can’t believe how utterly brazen you are. I’m very disappointed in you. It’s just another example of the crazy attitude of some fans like the bloody old skool subbers who are oh so protective of the precious subs, demanding people don’t take them without asking whilst at the very same time pissing all over the work of the already downtrodden animators etc. Bloody entitlement complex and hypocrisy abound. Get a grip, woman!
You should be expanding that rule to cover all content that isn’t yours. E.g. your naruto manga posts. Unless you scanlated those snippets of the manga yourself you really should be giving a references for those images.
From now on, every time you post a screencap from an anime I want a detailed breakdown of the guys/gals working on that particular scene.
By: arkib on August 5, 2009
at 8:50 am
One word to summarize the whole issue.
Courtesy.
It is courtesy to ask if you can use it and it is courtesy to credit the person.
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at 9:47 am
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By: Artists and Non - aloe, dream on August 5, 2009
at 2:56 pm
I don’t know man. Even with all these talk, it’s still up to that single person to… make a difference. Or something like that.
By: Netto on August 5, 2009
at 8:14 pm
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at 10:54 pm
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at 5:09 pm
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at 9:55 pm
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By: kyouray » Blog Archive » Fanarts et éthique on August 8, 2009
at 1:48 am
I avoid these problems now by making my own dango art…. but people aren’t stealing my dango art! Don;t they love my pretty dangos? =P
By: DS on August 9, 2009
at 2:14 am
oh wow….if u dont want them stolen, JUST DONT POST THEM on the web. simple as that.
and why should i care about japanese artists? they post their art online, and EXPECT everyone to credit their pics? yeah right. if you’re that talented, go make your own art and make money off it.
By: Hotarubi on August 10, 2009
at 1:52 am
Typical female whining. Nothing to see here.
By: Koji Oe on August 14, 2009
at 10:20 pm
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at 5:39 am