Posted by: jpmeyer | December 22, 2008

some last words on criticism

Since this topic never dies, here are some final thoughts on criticism.

for example, by using this picture of nanoha strikers, it says that 1) i am a pedophile, 2) i am a loser, and 3) i have bad taste in anime

for example, by using this picture of nanoha strikers, it says that 1) i am a pedophile, 2) i am a loser, and 3) i have bad taste in anime


First, critics don’t actually “hate everything” or “hate everything but high drama”. The reason that it may seem like critics hate everything is that a good critic who has been doing this criticism thing for a long time should have seen/read/whatever a ton of works. It’s this breadth and depth of knowledge that lets them know what’s “good” and “bad”.

Second, a good critic will review something based on an appropriate framework. Roger Ebert had a column a very years ago where he responded to an angry email from a reader because he listed Lars Von Trier’s Dogville as one of the worst movies of the year. (PS: I hate Lars Von Trier and Dogme 95) and Spider-Man 2 as one of the best. The reader said “How can you give it a 2 star review when you give Spider-Man 4 stars? Spider-Man is just a superhero movie!” Ebert’s response was that just because Dogville is a SRS BIZNESS SOCIAL COMMENTARY DRAMA doesn’t in any way make it intrinsically “better”. If the commentary is off, the characters are flat, the writing bad, and so on, that makes it a bad movie despite its pretensions. Meanwhile, Spider-Man is whimsical and exciting; in short exactly what a superhero movie should be.

Third, reviews should have an objective point of view, but there are different ways to go about this. If I write a review and very clearly state how it made me feel and why it made me feel this way, along with my personal knowledge or experience, this makes the review fairly objective rather than subjective. The reader can clearly see how the movie works on someone and weight how the different aspects of the writer’s self created this impression of the movie. Therefore, a review whch straight up says “I hate Nanoha because only disgusting otaku and pedophiles (but really, are the two any different? like this” is the much more objective one.

Finally, I feel that most of the problems with “critics” are with critics that act in bad faith. “Objectivity” does not mean you can say whatever you want. You are supposed to write an objective review; the review does not make what you are saying automatically “objective”. That said, “objectivity” does not grant any kind of authority, although it would appear that way as “objectivity” means that you are simply uttering something that is a fact, rather than an opinion which needs to be proven. The failure here is that an “objective” review also needs proof, whether it’s textual or extratextual or intertextual.

Oh, and speaking of haters…


Responses

  1. I completely agree. A critic has to be able to judge a show/movie in it’s correct context.
    However, I feel like a growing issue w/ newer critics is that they are judging shows/movies for the wrong reasons. (I’m sorry but fanboy arguments, especially regarding Gundam just don’t fly w/ me)

  2. I hate everything from an objective stance.

  3. One of the most interesting music critics/historians I’ve come across is Piero Scaruffi (www.scaruffi.com) who judges albums purely by their artistic value alone. While I can appreciate this view on music I couldn’t apply it to films or anime (though he has for films), which I presume reflects my attitudes to the mediums.

    Actually thinking about it (this is taking far too long to write) Ebert is doing a similar thing but instead of his ‘value’ being art, it’s entertainment, though this is simplifying it too far. Maybe some critics rate anime on ‘pedo value’. I’ve lost my train of thought here…

    Oh and don’t get me started on game criticism

  4. the f word! yes!

  5. @tekky99

    I’d be interested to see a very reflexive fanboy-style review of the fanboy’s fandom object, where the article is heavily about the aspects of the fandom object that make the fanboy a fanboy. Rather than you know, the fanboy reviews which only say “ZOMG TEH AWESOEM” or “SHIT SUX KTHXBAI”.

    @Marmoset

    Ebert really just reviews in context. If he’s writing a Great Movies article about I dunno, La Dolce Vita, it will be heavily about art. Also, Ebert usually gives good reviews, so when he gives out one or zero star reviews, WATCH OUT.

  6. Only disgusting otaku and pedophiles like MSLN? OMG, that cann’t completely true… I saw and enjoyed MSLN, because I was tired of the power of love/friendship that the “local” anime was showing to me and liked the fire power, blasts and attacks of this show(Maybe some newcomers to “the world of anime” can like MSLN too).

    Anyways, I think that the critics are in the side of art and not all the rating, sales, that a show can achieve isn’t from critics… the shows are made for the people not for the critics, and if a critic didn’t like a show, but a lot of people enjoyed that show… then all what matters for the studio is the success of the show with the people (unless they want an award)

  7. Sorry, it’s true. Only disgusting otakus and pedos like me like it.

    Anyway, a good critic will be able to understand the appeal of something even if it is not to their tastes, and it still doesn’t make a critic right or wrong that something did well despite being objectively “bad”. There’s totally a post to be made here about Theodor Adorno and Walter Benjamin and how you need to keep consuming new mass culture because repeated viewings do nothing, but I’ll stop here.

    (And when I hear “It’s not for critics”, I always think of this.

  8. The hate is good! Yes… your hate will power the Dark Side of the Force! MWHAAHAHHAAHA

    It’s like Star Wars. Most critics won’t rate it highly yet the masses love it!

  9. I can understand the appeal of certain works even though I don’t particularly like it (see: Koihime), but…

    Also, you can’t hate everything objectively. Because if you hate something, it already makes you biased.

    Also, YES THE RETURN OF THE CHILDREN OF MARX AND COCA-COLA

  10. DGK: A lot of critics rate the original trilogy (especially Empire Strikes Back) well above average. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    I think it goes back to the f-word. People need to review stuff in context and explain what it is!

    In fact I think this is just the one single thing most anime reviewers are lacking. They need to pick this up.

  11. That is the point! It shouldn’t just be above average. It should be better!

  12. @jpmeyer: Oh well, if you say so, then I’ll add that if you enjoy it and don’t fall in any of the two categories, then you will “converted” to one (or both in the worst case scenario) side. Anyways, there are “cases of cases”, I’ll simply will replace that “only” with “most”, “99%”, “majority”, etc.

    BTW, after reading that ANN review, wow, I don’t think “commoners” pay too much attention to all those details cited in the review.

  13. It’s so potent in its conversion too that you need to completely wall yourself off from it or the next thing you know, you’ll be abusing innocent children!

  14. lol… what a minute!, becoming a criminal isn’t funny.

  15. omg. the link to “hot chicks with douchebags” is too much! glad to see you mixing up the anime with reflections on criticism and seriously gay outrageousness.

  16. [ID SOJOURNER]

    But liking Nanoha does not mean I am a pedo. Fate and Nanoha did grow boobs.

  17. I completely agree with you. Great post!

    I read Roger Ebert’s website all the time. I remember that story.

  18. This is bizarre. I was having a discussion with one of our blog writer’s over lunch yesterday and even he said Roger Ebert’s the only movie critic he listens to. Contrary to initial reviews, if Roger says ‘The Spirit’ is good, he’ll go and see it. Or cry.

    As for critics, I believe that we should all come to our conclusions rather than have someone else make our decisions for us. There is a reason why sites like Metacritic/ AniDB/ AnimeNFO/ etc. exist; so that we can get more than one opinion.

    Btw, I don’t know where to ask you so I’ll do it here: can we exchange links? I already linked you guys and it’d be awesome to be linked by you!

  19. I have the opposite philosophy with Ebert. I don’t really pay much attention to his good reviews, only his bad ones. Suffice to say, I went whoa when he gave The Spirit ONE star.


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